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but really believed that a higher power was kind of carrying him towards something. And I think that's true of a lot of these people. Even if they don't believe in God, they have to believe in some higher power that's carrying them towards some end. Do you admire that? I really, I, not only do I admire it, I think I find it necessary for truly great action. So Todd Gray's belief is, God.

but really believed that a higher power was kind of carrying him towards something. And I think that's true of a lot of these people. Even if they don't believe in God, they have to believe in some higher power that's carrying them towards some end. Do you admire that? I really, I, not only do I admire it, I think I find it necessary for truly great action. So Todd Gray's belief is, God.

You segued perfectly into the last thing I want to ask you. You talked about this guy, radio show, huge public influence, starts his own show, becomes governor. When is David Sender running for governor of Florida?

You segued perfectly into the last thing I want to ask you. You talked about this guy, radio show, huge public influence, starts his own show, becomes governor. When is David Sender running for governor of Florida?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I support you, Dave, whether you choose to run for governor or not. If you run for governor, I will support you, but I think you're making the right choice.

Well, I support you, Dave, whether you choose to run for governor or not. If you run for governor, I will support you, but I think you're making the right choice.

No, I actually feel the exact same way that you do. I could not echo what you said anymore of like, what would be the point at this point? I really admire men like Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington. Yeah. And you do have to say, I do admire people like Trump and Obama a little bit. At least start a movement.

No, I actually feel the exact same way that you do. I could not echo what you said anymore of like, what would be the point at this point? I really admire men like Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington. Yeah. And you do have to say, I do admire people like Trump and Obama a little bit. At least start a movement.

It feels like a new thing that they have created, right? Yep. But to just come into office and wield the office, that doesn't feel that exciting to me.

It feels like a new thing that they have created, right? Yep. But to just come into office and wield the office, that doesn't feel that exciting to me.

It's not artistic enough for you. No, not at all. David, oh, actually, I did want to ask you one more question, which is I had a tweet the other day. I said if... if I was put in charge, I'd have every young man in the United States read these four books. And I had the right brothers by David McCullough. I had the education of a bodybuilder by Arnold Schwarzenegger.

It's not artistic enough for you. No, not at all. David, oh, actually, I did want to ask you one more question, which is I had a tweet the other day. I said if... if I was put in charge, I'd have every young man in the United States read these four books. And I had the right brothers by David McCullough. I had the education of a bodybuilder by Arnold Schwarzenegger.

I had, um, endurance by Lansing, Alfred Lansing and, the right stuff by Tom Wolf. Uh, what, You've got kids, so you probably think about this. If you had to put together a book list of three to five books for every young man in America to read, what would be on your list? That's a great question.

I had, um, endurance by Lansing, Alfred Lansing and, the right stuff by Tom Wolf. Uh, what, You've got kids, so you probably think about this. If you had to put together a book list of three to five books for every young man in America to read, what would be on your list? That's a great question.

Perfect.

Perfect.

I actually, I took a month off to just get my back 100% right. So I'm going to the sauna every single day. And I'm only doing like stretches and work on my back for this month. And then in April, I'm going to start working out again.

I actually, I took a month off to just get my back 100% right. So I'm going to the sauna every single day. And I'm only doing like stretches and work on my back for this month. And then in April, I'm going to start working out again.