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Ben Wizner

πŸ‘€ Speaker
330 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

In 2022...

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

the great New York Times journalist, Cashmere Hill, who literally wrote the book on facial recognition.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

Her book is called Your Face Belongs to Us, and I recommend it.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

Yes.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

She actually broke the story that Madison Square Garden, also Radio City Music Hall, the various properties owned by Dolan, were excluding not just the lawyers who brought lawsuits against them, but every lawyer in their firm.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

And she called me up for comment.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

And this is where we get the headline, Ben chickened out.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

That's right.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

I sued the CIA, the NSA.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

I traveled to Yemen to take on the case of Anwar al-Awlaki's family.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

I've been to Guantanamo.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

I've been to Moscow.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

And I told Kashmir Hill she should call the Electronic Frontier Foundation because it's based in San Francisco and they're Warriors fans.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

They would get exactly the same quote, and they'd get it from someone who didn't depend on going to the garden 12 times a year for happiness.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

Yes.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

But, you know, you and Noah shamed me.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

Fear, but let's also give credit where due.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

Grudgingly respected as well.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

I actually think his band doesn't suck.

Pablo Torre Finds Out
"Did You Hear That, James?" We Survived MSG Surveillance... with Edward Snowden's Lawyer

We'll get to JD in a straight shot.