Ben Zweig

So I think that is important in the very, very short term in terms of like looking for a job.

I don't know that there are great answers for someone who's on the job market today.

I think they're in a very tough spot.

It's a tough part of labor economics because signals have been eroding over time.

So higher ed was always a great signal, and you get a diploma, and that was always...

a good signal and still is.

That's part of education.

And part of education is actual education, actually increasing your skills.

And that part is more and more suspect.

You know, I think both of those are eroding a little bit because education is, you know, formal education is not as good in administering credentials, is not the best or certainly not the cheapest way to actually learn things.

And I think, you know, higher ed in the U.S.

at least has been more about athletics and stuff like that.

Like that has been an issue.

So I think, you know, deriving some sort of signal is very tough for employers.

There's a whole field of talent intelligence where people try to do sourcing kind of more creatively and intelligently.

I think there are some out of the box ways to find some signals.

Maybe maybe there's projects that people can do and they can talk about.

There's assignments that now a lot of organizations are giving to their applicants.

There's kind of like AI interviewing and stuff like that that's opening up that the hope is that that could be a more informative version of a resume that gets at someone's fluency in a topic.

Yeah, I think so.