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Ben Zweig

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Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

Personally, I think I'm not quite sold on that yet because we're not seeing so much substitution.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

Like we're not seeing enough substitution that you would think would result if that were the main effect.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

I think what we're also seeing and what's conflating this result a little bit

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

is that there's a lot of uncertainty in the labor market, partially due to AI, partially due to policy.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

But I think as a result, employers have a kind of high discount rate.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

They're optimizing for the short term more than the long term.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

And young workers generally, entry-level workers, are workers that are more uncertain.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

You know, they require more of an upfront investment, and, you know, maybe they'll work out, maybe they won't.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

So it's a kind of high-risk, high-reward type of bet, whereas more experienced hires are the safer bets.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

So if someone's just looking to optimize for the short term, I think they'll generally favor more experienced workers.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

We started Revelia Labs with the goal of producing high quality data that can be used for any downstream, you know, analyses.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

And right now we are not seeing government data.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

You know, the BLS hasn't put out their employment data in over two months.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

The government's been shut down and there's a lot of turmoil there.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

UK public employment data is not fantastic either.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

I think what we're really trying to do is kind of start from very micro level data.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

So actual individuals, you know, try to understand like the actual firm dynamics at any given company.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

And then aggregate that up globally.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

That's exactly right.

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View
Where did all the entry-level jobs go? (With Revelio CEO Ben Zweig)

Yeah, we start at the micro level data.