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Benjamin Felix

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The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

10 of the 11 IPOs underperformed the market within three years with average underperformance of roughly 50% relative to the market from the offer price and 60% from the first day close.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So we see there actually was a pop because if you bought at first day close, you did worse.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Doesn't look good.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

It looks worse than the average IPO.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Now, when I was emailing with Professor Ritter, he also mentioned that these examples, yes, they had low floats.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

They also tended to have high price to sales ratios at the time of the IPO.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Now, again, that's relevant for these current potential mega IPOs.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

If SpaceX were to achieve its $1.75 trillion valuation, let alone its $2 trillion valuation that I've seen more recently,

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

it would have a price to sales ratio of more than 100 times based on trailing sales.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Wild.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Now, why does that matter?

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Professor Ritter also showed, and this is one of the things that's not in my video on this, Professor Ritter also showed me the data for all IPOs, so not just low float IPOs anymore, all IPOs sorted on their price to sales ratio.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Measured from the first close, the market adjusted three-year buy and hold return decreases with an increasing price to sales ratio for IPOs of companies with sales over 100 million.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

No surprise, I guess, valuations matter even for IPOs.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

What does the price to sales of 100 times mean?

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Just for context, the highest price to sales ratio for a public S&P 500 constituent is Palantir, which at the time that I wrote these notes had 73 time ratio, price to sales of 73.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

The index as a whole, the S&P 500 trades at a price to sales of 3.1 times.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Now in general, as listeners know, high valuations are associated with low expected returns and these current private companies seem to have very high valuations or are expecting very high valuations when they list.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

For index fund investors, the problem is pretty complicated.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Large private companies go public with high valuations.