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Benjamin Felix

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The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

They're going to change the landscape of the broader market.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Now in response, we've talked about indices.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

have to rebalance to remain reflective of the broader market.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

That's why they exist.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Market cap weighted indices will rebalance in response to stock market composition changes, which includes a whole bunch of things, including buybacks and seasoned equity offerings, as I mentioned earlier, but also IPOs.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

In making those changes, indexes and index funds, they're implicitly engaging in a form of market timing.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

That language comes from Marco Salmon's paper on this topic.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Doesn't be really bad market timing though.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

And again, as we talked about earlier, the issuers, the companies that are listing on the public market, they'll generally want to issue stock when their own company's valuation is high and buy back stock when their company valuation is low.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Indexes and index funds, because their goal is to track indices that reflect the market, end up systematically buying high and selling low.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

at the margins.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

I want to reiterate, this isn't not a death blow for index funds.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

It's just a thing.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

I'll put a number to it in a second.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So in Marco Salmon's 2025 paper, which is now published in the Journal of Financial Economics, which is pretty cool.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

We had him on before it was published to talk about it.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Index rebalancing and stock market composition do indexes time the market is the paper.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

It estimates that that adverse selection is what he called it in an earlier draft of the paper, but that market timing ends up creating a performance drag of between 47 and 70 basis points per year relative to a delayed rebalancing approach.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

It waits like 12 months, for example, to reflect changes in market composition.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So there is like a lasting negative effect on index fund returns that could be avoided if index funds delayed rebalancing, if they prioritized expected returns rather than tracking error to an index.