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Benjamin Felix

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The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

They outperform by more.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Now, this is the interesting part.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

The outperformance peaks at the index inclusion date and then reverts significantly within two weeks.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So what's happening there, basically index funds are being front run by intermediaries like hedge funds who know that index funds are going to be buying the shares once they become eligible for inclusion.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

And then the index funds end up holding the shares as they revert back down closer to their IPO price.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So they're getting front run basically.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

And the index fund investors are paying what the authors of this paper call a shadow tax.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

It's like ticket scalpers for concerts and sporting events, same idea.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

That is fair.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

There's another paper that we'll talk about later, which is another Marco Simon paper.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

This front running IPO paper doesn't put the number into basis points.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Maybe I could have tried to figure that out.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

They don't talk about that.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

They put a dollar figure on it.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

But anyway, their other paper that we'll talk about later

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

not just for IPOs, but for IPOs, buybacks, like all the different market composition changes, that's where they estimate a 50 to 70 basis point drag relative to an index that delays making those changes.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So we call it 50 basis points and that's from all the smaller midsize companies that are making changes and whatever corporate actions and secondary seasoned equity offerings, all that kind of stuff.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

To your point, Dan, these companies are so much larger relative to the index that whatever effect we've seen historically, these ones would amplify it.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

But like not actually though, because crisp, just to use that as an example, like if we look at SpaceX, there are two things and I'm getting way ahead of my notes here, but there are two things that are really important.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

One is the float.