Benjamin Zeller
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Yeah, yeah. And I would say in terms of Christian God, I mean, yes and no. So the group clearly saw themselves as coming out of the Bible and out of sort of this biblical story. And their understanding of what we would say God was in keeping with how they read the Bible. Other Christians would, of course, say not so. But their basic understanding
Yeah, yeah. And I would say in terms of Christian God, I mean, yes and no. So the group clearly saw themselves as coming out of the Bible and out of sort of this biblical story. And their understanding of what we would say God was in keeping with how they read the Bible. Other Christians would, of course, say not so. But their basic understanding
Yeah, yeah. And I would say in terms of Christian God, I mean, yes and no. So the group clearly saw themselves as coming out of the Bible and out of sort of this biblical story. And their understanding of what we would say God was in keeping with how they read the Bible. Other Christians would, of course, say not so. But their basic understanding
claim was that the extraterrestrial being who's in charge of maintaining our world is the one the bible refers to as god so the for all intents and purposes when the bible says god that is an extraterrestrial who's managing our planet and from our perspective would be a god i mean it can decide when we come and when we go and you know what happens on our planet so that is i suppose that's what you mean by god
claim was that the extraterrestrial being who's in charge of maintaining our world is the one the bible refers to as god so the for all intents and purposes when the bible says god that is an extraterrestrial who's managing our planet and from our perspective would be a god i mean it can decide when we come and when we go and you know what happens on our planet so that is i suppose that's what you mean by god
claim was that the extraterrestrial being who's in charge of maintaining our world is the one the bible refers to as god so the for all intents and purposes when the bible says god that is an extraterrestrial who's managing our planet and from our perspective would be a god i mean it can decide when we come and when we go and you know what happens on our planet so that is i suppose that's what you mean by god
Correct. So Heaven's Gate is what a sociologist of religion, of new religions would call sectarian. So sectarian can mean two things. One is it just sort of means a split and they were clearly a split. But also it means they see themselves as separate and distinctive and really try to create a division between themselves and society for their own theological religious reasons.
Correct. So Heaven's Gate is what a sociologist of religion, of new religions would call sectarian. So sectarian can mean two things. One is it just sort of means a split and they were clearly a split. But also it means they see themselves as separate and distinctive and really try to create a division between themselves and society for their own theological religious reasons.
Correct. So Heaven's Gate is what a sociologist of religion, of new religions would call sectarian. So sectarian can mean two things. One is it just sort of means a split and they were clearly a split. But also it means they see themselves as separate and distinctive and really try to create a division between themselves and society for their own theological religious reasons.
So the old sects, which are still sectarian, like groups like the Amish and things like that, we recognize that they're often. doing their own thing. A lot of new religions are sectarian. And the reasons Heaven's Gate was sectarian is they believed that everything of this world was bad ultimately. So therefore your birth family, they referred to their bodies as their vehicles.
So the old sects, which are still sectarian, like groups like the Amish and things like that, we recognize that they're often. doing their own thing. A lot of new religions are sectarian. And the reasons Heaven's Gate was sectarian is they believed that everything of this world was bad ultimately. So therefore your birth family, they referred to their bodies as their vehicles.
So the old sects, which are still sectarian, like groups like the Amish and things like that, we recognize that they're often. doing their own thing. A lot of new religions are sectarian. And the reasons Heaven's Gate was sectarian is they believed that everything of this world was bad ultimately. So therefore your birth family, they referred to their bodies as their vehicles.
So they would say their vehicles, families, human society, entertainment, books, jobs, all the stuff of this earth was problematic and they wanted to leave it behind. So their reason for being sectarian was different from some other religions. I mean, so I know you mentioned in the opening, you know, groups like Jonestown. I mean, they had, you know, a problem with capitalism and things like that.
So they would say their vehicles, families, human society, entertainment, books, jobs, all the stuff of this earth was problematic and they wanted to leave it behind. So their reason for being sectarian was different from some other religions. I mean, so I know you mentioned in the opening, you know, groups like Jonestown. I mean, they had, you know, a problem with capitalism and things like that.
So they would say their vehicles, families, human society, entertainment, books, jobs, all the stuff of this earth was problematic and they wanted to leave it behind. So their reason for being sectarian was different from some other religions. I mean, so I know you mentioned in the opening, you know, groups like Jonestown. I mean, they had, you know, a problem with capitalism and things like that.
So every sectarian group has its own reason for being so. For Heaven's Gate, fundamentally, they wanted to get off our planet. Our planet was not where they wanted to be. So therefore they rejected everything which was worldly, earthly or human.
So every sectarian group has its own reason for being so. For Heaven's Gate, fundamentally, they wanted to get off our planet. Our planet was not where they wanted to be. So therefore they rejected everything which was worldly, earthly or human.
So every sectarian group has its own reason for being so. For Heaven's Gate, fundamentally, they wanted to get off our planet. Our planet was not where they wanted to be. So therefore they rejected everything which was worldly, earthly or human.
Correct. They were communal. And initially they lived basically in campgrounds. They didn't have any money at first. So they were sort of squatting as they went. When they came into money through a member's inheritance and then later they got some tech jobs, they could afford rent, they graduated to houses. And eventually there was the one house, which they referred to as their craft.