Benji Naesen

Now...

Those people were also under Zeeman before that, the majority of those people.

I think that swimming dude, Jaco maybe, came in at the same time.

But swimming, dude, poor guy.

Probably deserves more than that title.

Yeah, we have gold medals at the Olympics.

I know what your take is.

Stat batting for the countries, right?

I wonder how Jaco feels about your take on swimming medals.

And I think that's also why my take was the way it was when Remco went from Quick-Step to Red Bull, for example.

Yes, in terms of performance at the time of the transfer, both teams, wish-wash.

I don't know if that's a term or not.

But then from Quick-Step to Red Bull for Remco, I didn't expect imminent grand tour victories for Remco to pop up.

As a consequence of that, I expected a similar level in the new team for Remco.

And...

that was going to be a project.

Because for Red Bull, like you say, money and longevity will build up the project.

With Little Trek, money and longevity will build up the project.

And that's why...

These changes won't be seen in the next one, two years, and maybe we'll get to a point where Trek podiums a Grand Tour in two years or something, whether it's a Gull, whether it's a Neuzo, whether it's a Derek G. Very much possible.