Benny 'The Jet' Urquidez

That's the last time I've seen him fight.

Back then, it was not how hard you hit, it was how right you were hitting.

Man, when he hit, he hit that target right on the money.

Even the impact, it was the way he shot the impact.

You know, in the PKA, because of Bill Wallace, it was from the waist up.

And so my brother and Howard Hansen started the WKA, World Karate.

And that's when we went to Japan and we started saying everything went.

Because in Japan, elbows and knees and so forth, because there are Muay Thai fighters over there.

And I figured...

Okay.

Then to me, there's no rules.

Let's go.

But, you know, the really purpose of that is because, you know, the insurance behind it

I mean, people were getting, I mean, I'm talking about just their lips opened up across their eyebrows.

And I mean, they were getting from the elbows, like they're like axes going across your face, you know, with elbows and so forth and brutal.

I'll be damned.

But, you know, everybody's looking for the next biggest thing.

And so far, you know, I mean, where do you go from there?

From UFC where you can throw and you ground and pound and so forth.

When you do technique...