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Benquo

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Two men meet at a courthouse.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

One is there to prosecute his own father for the death of a slave.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

The other is there to be indicted for indecency.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

The prosecutor, Euthyphro, is certain he understands what decency requires.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

The accused, Socrates, is not certain of anything and says so.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

His own family thinks it is indecent for a son to prosecute his father.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Euthyphro insists that true decency demands it, that he understands what the gods require better than his relatives do.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Socrates, who is about to be tried for indecency toward the gods, asks Euthyphro to explain what decency actually is, since Euthyphro claims to know, and Socrates will need such knowledge for his own defense.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Euthyphro's first answer is.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Decency is what I am doing right now, prosecuting wrongdoers regardless of kinship.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Socrates points out that this is an example, not a definition.

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"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Euthyphro tries again.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Decency is what the gods love.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

But the gods disagree among themselves, Socrates observes, so by this definition the same act could be both decent and indecent.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Euthyphro refines.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Decency is what all the gods love.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

And here Socrates asks a question Euthyphro cannot answer.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Do the gods love decent things because they are decent, or are things decent because the gods love them?

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

If decent things are decent because the gods love them, then decency is arbitrary, a matter of divine whim.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Socrates is too polite to press this to its conclusion for Euthyphro's case, but the implication is hard to miss.

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