Bertie Gregory

Because elephants are famed as being this incredible matriarchal society where the female-led herds.

And we very often don't really talk about the social systems involved with the males.

It's just this big bull that comes in or...

horny one day and has his way and then goes off and does male elephant things.

Well, the males have these bachelor herds.

And you're exactly right.

Yeah, if you get these groups of young bulls, they're often the ones that are causing all the mischief, you know, crop raiding and all sorts.

You can see the cogs turning, can't you?

Desperately whirring for an innuendo.

You had me.

You had me at hello.

So what are they doing?

But coming back to whether animals are assholes, I mean, again, this is a very anthropomorphic viewpoint, but like some, you know...

I've seen male dolphins go around in these male groups and they'll just go up to like a young male dolphin and do very naughty things to it.

And you're like, was that really necessary?

But they've got this incredibly complex social system.

And I think trying to compare ours, if you look at their social systems through our lens, it's very easy to go, well, you're being an asshole.

No, I mean, yeah.

Why do you defend him, Bertie?

Yeah, it's an interesting thing to think about because I guess one thing is