Bertie Gregory

In how many years?

And in both those times, if you actually read about them, it is not conclusive that the wolf actually did it.

So then you ask the question, okay, why does our society have this incredible hatred?

Little Red Riding Hood, the big bad wolf.

Why as a child are we taught that wolves are so dangerous when at the same time we keep their closest living relative in our home?

You have hit the nail on the head.

Yeah.

That is exactly why our society has this hatred towards wolves because livestock farming is a huge part of our society and wolves do sometimes kill livestock.

Oh.

And it is much easier to justify the killing of a wolf if everyone hates them.

Just like, you know, with sharks, it's only very recently that everyone's sort of waking up to the fact that sharks might actually be really important to healthy oceans and we need healthy oceans.

Yeah.

But prior to that, you know, with Jaws and our fear of sharks, no one really cares that sharks were getting killed.

Yeah.

So, you know, why would you want to, you know...

protect something that you're terrified of.

It's the right thing to do.

Which I think is a bad argument.

Well, because, okay, so...

Nature provides so many things that we need from clean water, productive soils, the air we breathe, regulating our climate.