Bertie Gregory

And whereas... Cartoons.

Or even now, I guess more recent nature documentaries, we do try and personify the characters.

Yeah, they're fully characters now.

And I think it's probably gone too far, but it is a way to sort of engage people and get people to fall in love rather than just it being this like beautiful wallpaper.

We'll be right back after this short break.

I don't know if this answers your question, but it's just popped into my mind that wild animals' lives are really, really hard.

Yeah.

but they are really good at doing what they do, and that's how they thrive.

Right.

They're really focused.

So what I take from that is, okay, for whatever I do, I've got to do my best to get really, really good at it.

Go into something.

Get good at it.

Try and do your best to try and become like a master of it.

Because that's how you... Eugene, what would you say you are a master at?

I've got a ref sheet with you, my friend.

And then actually, I want to show you a video to show you how hard some animals' lives are.

Like, just any... Let me see what... Okay, so this is a female...

Puma, mountain lion, or Puma.

She is hunting a guanaco, which is like a wild llama.