Bertie Gregory

And 20 years on, this place has made an extraordinary comeback.

And in that time, the biomass, that's the weight of living things, at some of the key locations, it's gone up by 600%.

And it's one of the only places on earth where the biodiversity, so it's the number of different species, is actually increasing.

And they're also replanting the coral reef.

And so the coolest thing about that is that, okay, nature's thriving.

Humans are directly thriving because they're being paid to be rangers and dive guides and all that stuff.

But the best part is that the marine life doesn't understand the borders that we draw.

So it moves outside of those protected areas into the take zone.

And so the local fishing community is actually doing really well.

Well, often you have to make a small short-term sacrifice for a long-term massive gain, not just economic.

I do wonder if in...

x period of time 10 20 years we'll look back on this time you know we

Now we look back on certain things that we've done in the past that we were like, those people were really bad.

That was really bad.

And when we look at things like slavery or colonization, and I wonder if in the future, we're going to look back on certain things that we're doing to the environment now and go, what do you mean you did that for shareholder?

What do you mean shareholder value?

What's going on there?

And so what I would say is that...

Yes, we obviously have big challenges, but there are so many good news conservation success stories.

There are so many.