Beth Gardner

And I think also sort of the further removed they are from –

direct activism and citizens' concerns.

And I think when you talk to people about plastic, you do realize that it is something that so many people who are not even really necessarily super engaged in environmental issues otherwise are really upset about.

So I think it's something where it's easier to kind of make your voice heard at the local level, whether it's a city council or a county government or something like that.

And we've seen that across the country.

You know, one thing that some of the activists I spoke to said to me is you don't want a world where individual people are carrying around all kinds of containers and having to remember them when they go to the store or to a restaurant or what have you for a takeout.

And there are places where companies like Uber Eats or DoorDash and those sorts of delivery services are partnering with companies that provide reusables.

But it requires some standardization, right?

It needs to be pooled among restaurants.

I live in London.

I had the amazing experience last summer of going to see Beyonce play at a big soccer stadium in London.

Oh, lucky you.

Yes.

Lucky me, indeed.

And I bought a drink, and it came in a reusable cup.

It was plastic, but like a heavy plastic.

And the stadium was filled with...

Bins, not the trash bin, but a separate bin where you put your cup in and it gets reused.

I've experienced it at the theater too.

Oh, it's like 3D glasses at the movies where you use them once and you return them to the bin.