Beth Gardner

Yep.

There's ways of doing it, right?

But the system has to be built so that it is not all on us as individual consumers.

And we are living in a system right now that is built around disposability, right?

It's hard to see past that because it's so entrenched and it's so familiar and it's what we take for granted and we can't see how it can be different.

But if the incentives are reset by strong laws that encourage a different way of doing things, a little bit of a return to the ethos of reuse that our grandparents or even our parents had just a few decades ago.

Yeah.

You know, that kind of legislation and resetting of incentives can actually shift the systems that we operate in and live in.

Thank you so much for talking to us.

It's been a pleasure.

Thanks for having me.