Beth Lyons

But they're having people build live with how they are building things.

So it's people like...

Logan Fitzpatrick, I think is his last name, from originally OpenAI and then now in charge of dev relations at Google for Gemini.

And then the Every team and a couple other people that I recognize the names, but I don't know where they're from.

But I think we need to remember that vibe coding was coined by Andre Karpathy, right?

Who could totally look at the stream and be like, it was vibe for him.

maybe.

But it's, it's maybe a little less vibey for people who don't recognize what the code looks like and how it's going.

So that's interesting.

And, and the Gareth thing saying you're working with a junior developer is one of the reasons that I am using the compound engineering plugin from the

Every because that was designed to be your senior, your senior developer.

And so it breaks things down into a to do list.

Right.

So you're not doing a bunch of things at the same time or you're doing things at the same time, but you're not like you're checking off the individual functions that need to occur.

Right.

In a way that makes sense.

And the other thing is that this really is you're having a conversation with whatever model you've chosen.

You should be choosing Opus.

I think all of us are choosing Opus 4.5.

But yeah, I mean, it's the same cloud that you're working with through and you are working with it through a browser.