Beth Lyons

And that's, so when we were talking, Andy, I feel like we were, we were talking about different use cases and that seems to be like a very helpful for like, it's giving good into the world.

It's also creating some expectations in a relationship and it is a very specific use case, right?

That is set up for those specific questions.

Yeah.

AI salon has a learn out loud on how to create a digital twin.

yeah absolutely and are you guys okay with wrapping up otherwise i gotta drop yep uh i just want to say that uh when i talked about cindy coon um uh part of the people that she has done digital tunes with is kyle shannon who is ai salon who is also partners with anne in the uh what is your podcast called

Nice.

I don't have the end button.

Do you, Brian?

Yeah, and its codename is Shadow, maybe?

Is that true?

Oh, maybe that's why they're saying codename Shadow.

I was assuming that was like when the code comes out, something updates, it's like, ooh, there's going to be something.

So, well, first, I want to comment on that it's like the first time because I feel like Google is...

Google has been sort of chasing without like, how do you chase OpenAI as Google, right?

Google has so much more resources, history, that kind of stuff.

And so that for me is the first time since Google

since whatever year it was because google was the leader right good the the attention is all you need paper came out of google it's just that all those folks then went uh i mean they're still going right they all went to open ai for a while now they're opening their own things people are jumping in all of those ways so i don't think we can ever count google out no but

I do think that if we say with Google is likely to have the best model and leapfrog over OpenAI, this also brings up Satya Nadella's comment that he made to Dwarkesh, I believe.

I may have that name wrong, but the but on the like six hour interview podcast that I'm spacing the name of right now, he said that that what you are seeing and what you're likely to continue to see is that the that the research labs are basically taking the hits for everyone.