Beth Macy

She said, well, did he get made fun of when he went to kindergarten?

And I said, yeah, he did.

And he stopped doing that.

And he became angry.

And anxious because he was having to hide who he was.

But I thought it's a crack.

It's a little crack of empathy because she's asking what it felt like to be him and to parent him.

And, you know, I don't know if it makes a difference, but we've got to figure out ways when we're talking to people who have different views to start to be vulnerable around them, too.

I should have said, you know, I did the best I could with what I knew at the time.

What would you have done?

So live and learn.

Well, she didn't say much of anything.

And then I could hear her sort of almost hyperventilating or crying in the background.

And she said, what should I do?

And I said, well, if it were me, I would call up Liza and apologize to her for not believing her for all these years.

And she said, I don't know.

I don't know.

And it was like it was just sinking in that what Liza had reported maybe had been true.

And then the next day she texted me and she asked me not to put it in.

And I said, look, I'm not the perpetrator here.