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Beth Shapiro

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The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

When we published a paper before I joined Colossal many years ago that was about dire wolf evolution, we had a paleo artist reconstruct what dire wolves looked like, and they made them red or reddy brown.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

And that's because so many other animals seem to be reddy brown, like mammoths or Neanderthals seem to have had red hair.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

And so we thought, sure, why not?

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

We didn't know because we hadn't sequenced the part of their genome that we could use to see what color their coats were.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

But both of these two animals that we had higher coverage DNA from had gene variants in genes that are associated with pigmentation, how our coats, the hair color and eye color and things like that, that suggested they had light colored coats.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

And so we thought that's cool.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

We'll have that as one of our key dire wolf traits that we're bringing back.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

It's possible, yeah.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

And I'm sure there were different colors.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

But it's interesting to me that two animals that lived so far apart from each other in time and geography would both have this light color coat.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

So maybe it wasn't that every dire wolf had a light coat, but it must have been a predominant color in the population.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

Both of these animals were from northern part of their range where it would have been colder.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

They did live through previous interglacial periods.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

125,000 years ago, it was as warm as it is today or even warmer with predicted to be no ice at the poles.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

And also we know dire wolves were really common around the La Brea tar pits in Los Angeles.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

We haven't been able to get any DNA out of anything from La Brea.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

That would be an amazing discovery.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

Don't know if it destroys it or if it gets into the bone in a way that we can't get the DNA out.

The Joe Rogan Experience
#2338 - Beth Shapiro

So somehow inhibiting the recovery of the DNA.