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The Joe Rogan Experience

#2338 - Beth Shapiro

17 Jun 2025

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Beth Shapiro, Ph.D., is an evolutionary molecular biologist and Chief Science Officer at Colossal Biosciences. She’s also the author of “Life as We Made It: How 50,000 Years of Human Innovation Refined―and Redefined―Nature.”https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/beth-shapiro/life-as-we-made-it/9781541644151https://colossal.com/team/beth-shapiro-ph-d/ Unlock yourself at https://join.WHOOP.com/jre for one month free 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0.031 - 6.497 Unknown

Hello, Beth.

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9.46 - 16.126 Joe Rogan

Hello. It's very great to see you again.

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16.146 - 17.708 Beth Shapiro

I am pleased to be here.

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17.908 - 28.738 Joe Rogan

It's been really interesting getting to talk to you and communicating with you and all the stuff that you guys have done at Colossal has been insane. So why don't you just tell everybody what your background is and what you do?

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29.343 - 50.118 Beth Shapiro

I'm a scientist. I work in a crazy field called ancient DNA, sometimes called paleogenomics. It means we go out into the world, we dig shit up, and we extract DNA from it. And what is fantastic about that is it's being a modern-day explorer. I get to go somewhere, I get to find out something new that completely rewrites what we thought we knew, and it's brilliant.

50.439 - 62.355 Beth Shapiro

And I get to fight with people a lot. And because I love to fight... I recently quit my academic job and moved to become the chief science officer at Colossal, the company that has just made those direwolves.

62.816 - 63.918 Joe Rogan

Why do you like to fight with people?

64.318 - 76.815 Beth Shapiro

I don't really like to fight with people. I just felt like it was the right thing to say at this minute. I end up fighting with people, though, not because I want to, but because I feel like I have to defend what I think is the way that we should be doing science.

77.251 - 97.723 Joe Rogan

Well, it's certainly a controversial subject and you guys are certainly groundbreakers. So whenever there's a controversial subject and people are groundbreakers, you're without doubt going to get a lot of pushback. And a lot of people that just want attention, a lot of people that are angry that you're getting attention. There's a lot of stuff going on.

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