Beth Shapiro

Which is just, it's not the way we innovate.

It's not the way we make progress.

Yeah, I think we can agree that it's a mess, right?

It's a hot mess.

But there is genuine, real science that comes out of the university system, of the academic system that we need.

All the technology that led to MRIs, the early technology that gave us CRISPR, this gene editing platform, was developed using funding from the government in scientific labs by people who are willing to take risks and step outside of that box.

And then it's taken outside of there and it's turned into all of these cool things.

I mean, there has to be a place where we get both of these things.

Because there's some things that no one is ever going to build a business around until it exists.

And we need this public system in order to do that.

It's just going to get worse.

It'll get worse.

The same toxic mold?

When I heard this the first time, and I've only heard about the first one, my first thought was, you know, is this deliberate or is this super naivete on the part of the student?

There is a country that is investing in science.

Yeah, and... We don't have anything like that.

No.

No, and we're fighting about the amount of money that we should invest into very basic infrastructure.

It's terrifying.

Is it also this scarcity mindset?