Beth Shapiro

And this makes total evolutionary sense.

Different things were under selection in different habitats at different times.

And that made different people smarter in different ways for whatever that was.

I actually think this is not how we start editing ourselves.

Because that's not how evolution works.

As soon as we edit everybody to be smart in that particular way and to be 5'10", blonde with blue eyes and perfect and never going to have diabetes, the most attractive thing out there is going to be the opposite of that.

So there will be – I just don't think – people are always thinking about we're going to get superhumans, but they have a –

specific picture in their mind of what that means, that's not the same picture that the Chinese government has in mind.

It's not the same picture that I have in mind, right?

And that's why I don't fear it as much, I think, just because that's not how it's going to happen.

How it will happen is there will be some massive pandemic and we discover that there is a particular mutation that means you're going to die.

And then suddenly this most unethical thing that is like completely abhorrent and you absolutely can't do it will be the only ethical solution.

That is how we get there.

In my imagination.

You should come to the lab.

I know you got to see.

I think the rest of my Siberia story is in there, including the part at the end where I got arrested.

Did you do an audio book?

I did.

I read the audio book for that.