Betsy McKay

Well, it's difficult to understand what that model would be right now. Certainly every country that has lost money, I mean, some African countries are heavily, heavily dependent on donors abroad. They have two things they're looking at. One, how much money can they themselves put up?

Many of these countries are servicing a lot of debt and so don't have as many funds as are needed to keep everybody on HIV prophylaxis or to combat tuberculosis in the way that they need to. The second thing is, can they find other donors abroad? The US has been a leader, not only in giving most of the governmental funds and pulled other countries along with it.

Many of these countries are servicing a lot of debt and so don't have as many funds as are needed to keep everybody on HIV prophylaxis or to combat tuberculosis in the way that they need to. The second thing is, can they find other donors abroad? The US has been a leader, not only in giving most of the governmental funds and pulled other countries along with it.

We're going to give this much money. How about you step up too? With that gone, there's less incentive. So it's a real problem. The goal has always been to help these countries ultimately become independent. But what global health advocates argue is we're just not there yet. Global health leaders have a lot of concerns about HIV, tuberculosis, and other infectious diseases resurging.

We're going to give this much money. How about you step up too? With that gone, there's less incentive. So it's a real problem. The goal has always been to help these countries ultimately become independent. But what global health advocates argue is we're just not there yet. Global health leaders have a lot of concerns about HIV, tuberculosis, and other infectious diseases resurging.

And while that would happen in other countries, it matters to us because, as we saw from the pandemic, we live in a global world. Anything that... starts in Africa, Southeast Asia, wherever, can come to us very quickly. And so that's a really big reason why we have helped build up health systems and surveillance capabilities around the world.

And while that would happen in other countries, it matters to us because, as we saw from the pandemic, we live in a global world. Anything that... starts in Africa, Southeast Asia, wherever, can come to us very quickly. And so that's a really big reason why we have helped build up health systems and surveillance capabilities around the world.

Thank you.

Thank you.