Bhaskar Sunkara

But that's something that, again, you could do through democracy and through good governance.

You don't have to set the perfect blueprint in motion, you know, write up a treatise now in 50 years from now, you know, try to follow it like it's scripture.

Well, I think a lot of people who are stuck at the bottom of the labor market today, one, these are people who are kind of our true philanthropists, because a lot of them are the ones who are working two jobs and are working 60 plus hours and are providing, in this country, it's such a bargain for their labor because they're so underpaid.

So many of the things that the rest of us use to enjoy life and consumption or whatever else, like

I got here from downtown Austin, and I think my Lyft, you know, I did tip, but I think my Lyft was like eight bucks base or whatever else.

You know, it's the, I think that we are all indebted to people who are working and we don't see it at various stages of the production process from, you know,

you know, the workers in China and Taiwan producing, you know, technological things that we're recording this on to, you know, growers and workers and agriculture in the US.

So I think that one, working class people are already working.

But as far as, you know,

getting out from under poverty and desperation, we're in a society that doesn't give people a lot of tools.

So if you don't have access to good public schools from age five until 12, 13, it's going to be really hard to move from generations of your family being involved in manual labor to doing other forms of

You're going to be stuck at a certain part of our labor market as a result.

If you don't have access to decent health care throughout your life, you might be already preordained to an early grave by the time that something kicks in.

You really want to change something in your life in your mid-20s.

Obviously, it's a combination of agency and all these other factors.

There's still something there.

I think innately human, innately striving that a lot of people have, but we don't really give people in our current society the tools to really be full participants in our society.

We just take for granted, for example, and I'm from the Northeast, so I give like excessively Northeast example, but we take for granted that someone from...

Hartford, Connecticut, your average working class person in Hartford is going to have a very different life outcome than someone born on the same day, the same hour in Greenwich, Connecticut.

We take for granted that accidents of birth are going to dictate outcomes.