Bill Gates

And it's unbelievable what a great job he did because Apple went from being on the way to dying to being the world's most valuable company. And Steve had really matured and it was something. And we helped write software for that. Then later when Steve is sick, we had about, five different conversations where we got to talk about kids and had computers done well and where he was pretty thoughtful.

It's amazing to me that Steve you know, his skill set and mine, other than, okay, you know, madman, leader, you know, drawing people in, but he, his taste in design and user interface, and even his intuition about people, he was just genius in a way you can't explain. He didn't look at code and write code, whereas, you know, my thing is, hey, I'm an engineer, you know, Here's the code.

It's amazing to me that Steve you know, his skill set and mine, other than, okay, you know, madman, leader, you know, drawing people in, but he, his taste in design and user interface, and even his intuition about people, he was just genius in a way you can't explain. He didn't look at code and write code, whereas, you know, my thing is, hey, I'm an engineer, you know, Here's the code.

Let's make it faster and smaller. So actually, that allowed us to get along because, you know, what he was super good at, I was not good at. I envied those just incredible talents that he had. In some ways, he's more singular. You know, if you say to me, are there other people like you who are great at writing code and conceptualizing.

Let's make it faster and smaller. So actually, that allowed us to get along because, you know, what he was super good at, I was not good at. I envied those just incredible talents that he had. In some ways, he's more singular. You know, if you say to me, are there other people like you who are great at writing code and conceptualizing.

Yeah, I can name a number of people, including many who worked with me, but I don't know somebody who I say, oh yeah, he's just like Steve Jobs.

Yeah, I can name a number of people, including many who worked with me, but I don't know somebody who I say, oh yeah, he's just like Steve Jobs.

Yeah, we did one public appearance, you know, where we were being thoughtful about the friendship. Walt Mossberg had us on stage together, which was definitely a fun thing and surprised people because Steve was very harsh. You know, he was, you know, he said we were the General Motors and he was like the Mercedes. But, you know, all in, it was all very fair. Well,

Yeah, we did one public appearance, you know, where we were being thoughtful about the friendship. Walt Mossberg had us on stage together, which was definitely a fun thing and surprised people because Steve was very harsh. You know, he was, you know, he said we were the General Motors and he was like the Mercedes. But, you know, all in, it was all very fair. Well,

We reflected that computers really hadn't improved education and where both he and I had given speeches saying, of course, this will make education five times better. And we were like, wow, we got that one wrong. Maybe next round we'll – deliver on that promise.

We reflected that computers really hadn't improved education and where both he and I had given speeches saying, of course, this will make education five times better. And we were like, wow, we got that one wrong. Maybe next round we'll – deliver on that promise.

And, you know, how unusual it was, even a little bit lonely that, you know, when you were so successful and then you're having doubts about, okay, are we making mistakes here? You know, both of us had had kids by then. He was actually, you know, of course, he not only did Apple, he did the Pixar stuff. And because that was around my age,

And, you know, how unusual it was, even a little bit lonely that, you know, when you were so successful and then you're having doubts about, okay, are we making mistakes here? You know, both of us had had kids by then. He was actually, you know, of course, he not only did Apple, he did the Pixar stuff. And because that was around my age,

I'm not in, I, you know, could sincerely tell him what a brilliant job he did. Now, partly picking people, but that's, you know, kind of amazing, you know, now part of Disney. And, you know, in both a sense of thankfulness, although, you know, he was very sick and just hoping some new drug would come along, and tragically, it didn't.

I'm not in, I, you know, could sincerely tell him what a brilliant job he did. Now, partly picking people, but that's, you know, kind of amazing, you know, now part of Disney. And, you know, in both a sense of thankfulness, although, you know, he was very sick and just hoping some new drug would come along, and tragically, it didn't.

Well, the fact that, you know, why were we both so competitive and pushing ahead? I think both of us, you know, in his case, he's an orphan. So he has a more complicated childhood that maybe can explain his zeal. I don't have any thing like that, you know, even though Kent died, that's not why, you know, well before that I was somehow always, you know, pushing as hard as I could be.

Well, the fact that, you know, why were we both so competitive and pushing ahead? I think both of us, you know, in his case, he's an orphan. So he has a more complicated childhood that maybe can explain his zeal. I don't have any thing like that, you know, even though Kent died, that's not why, you know, well before that I was somehow always, you know, pushing as hard as I could be.

And, you know, I think both of us, you know, being thankful for what we'd been able to work on. I mean, you know, we got more of a front row seat and help build this thing. Steve never got around to doing philanthropy. Now his widow, Lorene, is doing great philanthropy. So, you know, that's, I'm sure he'd, He'd be proud of that.

And, you know, I think both of us, you know, being thankful for what we'd been able to work on. I mean, you know, we got more of a front row seat and help build this thing. Steve never got around to doing philanthropy. Now his widow, Lorene, is doing great philanthropy. So, you know, that's, I'm sure he'd, He'd be proud of that.

But he didn't get to that stage, and I was just getting into that stage. So I shared with him a little bit about, wow, a lot of children die, and we don't do much to stop that. And that kind of intrigued him, but then he never got to pursue it.