Bill Gates

Right. We're getting into a whole bunch of very interesting questions here. And I asked it exactly to sort of pop open the can of worms. But there's a question of what actually is legal in the US? What actually is legal in the EU? Then there's this interesting question sort of emotionally for everyone who is working on software at Microsoft.

Right. We're getting into a whole bunch of very interesting questions here. And I asked it exactly to sort of pop open the can of worms. But there's a question of what actually is legal in the US? What actually is legal in the EU? Then there's this interesting question sort of emotionally for everyone who is working on software at Microsoft.

the vast, vast majority of people are not really focused on what is the business and competitive strategy. Most people who worked on any of this stuff, their whole goal was, I want to ship great software and make things that people love to use, and I want to work with people that I love making it with.

the vast, vast majority of people are not really focused on what is the business and competitive strategy. Most people who worked on any of this stuff, their whole goal was, I want to ship great software and make things that people love to use, and I want to work with people that I love making it with.

And so if you ask most people who worked on any of this, their opinion is, I don't know, we were trying to just make the best software out there, which is very interesting to square with this growing demand public perception that Microsoft is being a bully, especially public generated by their competitors. Right. And then the literal legal question of, did they do something illegal?

And so if you ask most people who worked on any of this, their opinion is, I don't know, we were trying to just make the best software out there, which is very interesting to square with this growing demand public perception that Microsoft is being a bully, especially public generated by their competitors. Right. And then the literal legal question of, did they do something illegal?

Because the actual antitrust laws are a super different thing than, ooh, does this feel anti-competitive in some way to me?

Because the actual antitrust laws are a super different thing than, ooh, does this feel anti-competitive in some way to me?

Well, David, now you're cracking open the issue of consumer harm, the consumer welfare standard that the whole thing is based on. So take us into the story.

Well, David, now you're cracking open the issue of consumer harm, the consumer welfare standard that the whole thing is based on. So take us into the story.

This centered on the notion of per-processor licensing, which we discussed in our last Microsoft episode.

This centered on the notion of per-processor licensing, which we discussed in our last Microsoft episode.

Yep. Because theoretically, they could have examined any monopolistic practice at this point. And they said, just the one narrow thing that we were worried about, they agreed to stop doing. And we, in voting 2-2, we see no other issues that we need to investigate.

Yep. Because theoretically, they could have examined any monopolistic practice at this point. And they said, just the one narrow thing that we were worried about, they agreed to stop doing. And we, in voting 2-2, we see no other issues that we need to investigate.

Yeah, theoretically, double jeopardy is not a thing.

Yeah, theoretically, double jeopardy is not a thing.

Exactly. And this is so messy because I think, David, you just used the exact language, which is they cannot tie these application products in a bundled sale. However, they absolutely can integrate new features. Yes.

Exactly. And this is so messy because I think, David, you just used the exact language, which is they cannot tie these application products in a bundled sale. However, they absolutely can integrate new features. Yes.

And this also looks the other way at the whole idea of software development and platforms, which is it is a continuously changing landscape where over time, in the interest of users, platforms do more and more and more things that applications used to do.

And this also looks the other way at the whole idea of software development and platforms, which is it is a continuously changing landscape where over time, in the interest of users, platforms do more and more and more things that applications used to do.