Bill Gates

Apple was aware that Microsoft would be interested in appearing collaborative with another major player in the ecosystem. And so we sort of have the leverage to say, hey, what if you guys invested in us and did this big commitment to Office for Mac? It's super important to help us get through this difficult time. And Microsoft said back, well, it's really important to us to have IE everywhere.

Apple was aware that Microsoft would be interested in appearing collaborative with another major player in the ecosystem. And so we sort of have the leverage to say, hey, what if you guys invested in us and did this big commitment to Office for Mac? It's super important to help us get through this difficult time. And Microsoft said back, well, it's really important to us to have IE everywhere.

And so they rolled it all into one big deal. No one's going to sue anyone. All the IP is cross-licensed. And Microsoft gets the win with IE. Apple gets the win with the investment in Office. And we can all walk away.

And so they rolled it all into one big deal. No one's going to sue anyone. All the IP is cross-licensed. And Microsoft gets the win with IE. Apple gets the win with the investment in Office. And we can all walk away.

Apple is saved. Truly, Apple would have gone out of business had Steve Jobs not seized this opportunity.

Apple is saved. Truly, Apple would have gone out of business had Steve Jobs not seized this opportunity.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Google is three years from being founded. Facebook is nine years from being founded.

Google is three years from being founded. Facebook is nine years from being founded.

There's real competition in the enterprise at this point, Sun, Oracle. But in terms of what your point is, the consumer technology landscape, yeah, they had ultimate power. Yep. Yeah, but David, I don't know. The whole thing of you can just decide to and then you completely vanquish your biggest existential threat by cutting off their air supply. Shouldn't that be illegal?

There's real competition in the enterprise at this point, Sun, Oracle. But in terms of what your point is, the consumer technology landscape, yeah, they had ultimate power. Yep. Yeah, but David, I don't know. The whole thing of you can just decide to and then you completely vanquish your biggest existential threat by cutting off their air supply. Shouldn't that be illegal?

Well... To lead you a little bit into our next section. Yeah. Well, listeners, I think you know what is coming next based on David and I coyly alluding to it. But before we get there, we've really been talking about this idea of development platforms.

Well... To lead you a little bit into our next section. Yeah. Well, listeners, I think you know what is coming next based on David and I coyly alluding to it. But before we get there, we've really been talking about this idea of development platforms.

We were talking about the web as a potential development platform of the future, even as far back as 1994, people building web applications or, you know, Windows 95 in its heading. But what makes for a great development platform? Well, this is a great time to thank our friends at JPMorgan Payments to talk about their developer platform.

We were talking about the web as a potential development platform of the future, even as far back as 1994, people building web applications or, you know, Windows 95 in its heading. But what makes for a great development platform? Well, this is a great time to thank our friends at JPMorgan Payments to talk about their developer platform.

To build a great one, it requires a culture focused on empowering others and investing with a long time horizon. And JPMorgan Payments knows this well. We've talked about how they're much more than a global bank. They're now investing $17 billion a year in technology and R&D. But you may not know that they've also been investing heavily in their developer ecosystem.

To build a great one, it requires a culture focused on empowering others and investing with a long time horizon. And JPMorgan Payments knows this well. We've talked about how they're much more than a global bank. They're now investing $17 billion a year in technology and R&D. But you may not know that they've also been investing heavily in their developer ecosystem.

And over the last year, they've really embraced this dev-first mentality with their API-powered payment solutions.

And over the last year, they've really embraced this dev-first mentality with their API-powered payment solutions.