Bill Gurley

A lot.

And they're talking to fundraisers.

And so...

They were able to find the money.

The money has come in and people are out there spending it against this opportunity.

It's something no one wants to miss.

And it's just an important component of everything that's going on here.

The last thing I wanted to talk about, which you already hinted at, is there's a new motion in the late stage market.

And I think Josh and the team at Thrive, they're not the only one, but they've been leading the way here where you go at companies that

We're already on the list to go public that the journal was talking about.

They're going to go public next year.

And you present them with an offer that I don't know if you want to call it too good to refuse, but something of that nature.

And founder liquidity encourages employee liquidity.

It might encourage angel liquidity.

And you basically encourage the company to stay private.

We've seen that now a couple of times.

Most recently, Databricks, but Stripe.

And Patrick and John have gone on different podcasts and talked about it.

At one point, it felt like they were saying, yeah, we might go public, but not now.

More recently, it sounds like what you said, we might never go public.