Bill Gurley

So you could role-play.

being in each of these.

There's a heuristic in the book that I borrowed from Ben Gilbert at Acquired, a lot of podcasters, where he had side hustles at all his jobs.

So at each job he went to, he would ask the employer, if I do it on my own time, can I do this other thing also?

And there's something really great about that.

One, in each of his cases, he ended up doing something pretty remarkable in the side hustle at Microsoft.

He created Microsoft Garage, which became this way for Microsoft to stay relevant with founders.

And he met all these founders, like all this kind of extra goodies came from that partnership.

Um, but I think it all, so you learn more, you learn maybe two, you get two shots on goal instead of one.

And I think the employer makes you look proactive.

So it reflects positively on you.

When he ended up at, at Madrona VC, ask him if he could start a podcast and look where that led.

And, um, I just had dinner with both of them and, uh, they were in Austin and man, they're happy.

Like I got to tell you, like they are really happy people.

So similar to you and your obsession.

And they fell into it through that, through getting there through that way.

So I think those are some things you can do to test.

And then look, what are you doing in your spare time?

Like, are there any signals there?

Those are all great ways.