Bill Gurley

And, um, I just had dinner with both of them and, uh, they were in Austin and man, they're happy.

Like I got to tell you, like they are really happy people.

So similar to you and your obsession.

And they fell into it through that, through getting there through that way.

So I think those are some things you can do to test.

And then look, what are you doing in your spare time?

Like, are there any signals there?

Those are all great ways.

I wouldn't quit if you don't know where you're going.

That doesn't make any sense.

Let me share this fun story I just stumbled on because I'm using some hacker techniques to promote the book, and that led me to talk to this gentleman.

And when I pinged him, he said, oh, please send me the book.

He goes, I saw the video a long time ago, and it changed my life.

And I said, well, tell me that story.

And he was a real estate lawyer and he loved football and he loved offensive plays and offensive diagrams in football.

I love this story because it fits with my thesis that the best stories are in jobs your parents would

tell you to never go do.

He launches a website to help people manage and develop football plays.

And then he builds software.

And then he starts a podcast.