Bill Maher

It wears on the soul, I will tell you, to do that work.

I'm Peter.

I'm Peter Crowe.

Right.

So I am, I personally couldn't do that work.

You know, years ago, you know, I've worked on a bunch of different species.

And I'll tell you, one of the reasons I'm so happy to be doing what I'm doing now is I hated working on animal models.

But in many cases, animal models are what we have.

But again, non-human primates,

We need a very, very high justification and threshold before one would want to invest in doing that kind of work.

Yeah, so I think...

Okay, well, you're asking me to justify something for which I'm a little bit— No, I'm not asking you to justify it.

Yeah, I guess it depends on the extent to which you believe that going from mouse to human is a reasonable jump.

It's been the intermediate species.

It's either been mouse to pig to human or mouse to non-human primate to human for, you know...

dose lethality, infectious disease, you know, I mean, they are very similar to us.

You know, I'll tell you, I'm very happy to not work on non-human primates.

They are sentient as are dogs, in my belief.

And it's a really tough, tough problem.

I think one of the challenges is that now there's a lot of excitement about AI, and I think you can do a lot with AI that you, you know, they couldn't do a few years ago.