Bill Thompson

And he kind of initiated some of those rights for me and held me to account.

But it was really the military, which was a turning point for me where there was a standard and I was expected to hold it.

Yep.

And it's not about you anymore.

It's about other people like that.

For me, having children, I've got four kids.

Really, you know, the military was kind of the first inkling of responsibility.

But then having children and realizing this isn't about me at all.

And I need to be willing to break my back for these people who depend on me.

Yeah.

God, we have so many rabbit holes we could go down on this.

But I mean, it was, you know, growing up in the 80s and the early 90s, it was really like a divorce culture.

And I obviously understand that if you're in a bad relationship or an abusive relationship or, you know, there's certainly there's a threshold where marriage should dissolve.

No question.

Sure.

But I kind of feel like the central thrust of a lot of culture at that time was about divorce or not getting married or discovering yourself and that type of thing, which in some ways is good.

There's goodness there.

But when it becomes a central thrust or a central narrative and divorce becomes very easy or it's happening everywhere,

It's super normalized.

And it's normalized.