Billie Eilish

It's a hard lesson.

Well, it's like the whole thing that people talk about these days, which is so real, which is like embracing being cringe is, is literally allowing yourself to be happy and free.

Like letting yourself be cringy or, you know, you know, when like, you know, a kid hits a certain age, like depending on the kid, like for me, it was like,

probably 10 or 11, where they start going like, oh, that's weird.

Oh, that's weird.

Why are you saying that?

And you realize that they're suddenly very aware, you know, self-conscious and aware.

Yeah.

And then thinking everything is weird and wanting to be cool and wanting to fit in in whatever way.

Yeah.

I feel like letting that go is very hard and challenging and trying not to be cool.

Yes.

Is like...

Yes.

Exactly.

But it's like sometimes the thing that might be embarrassing is like what brings us the most joy of anything in the world.

Like I was, I spent so many years when I started, you know, having this career that I wanted to like prove the kind of artist that I was.

Yes.

I wanted people to think of me in a certain way.

And I feel like at a certain point, I was just like, this is bringing me no joy at all.