Billy Norwich

Sure.

World, picture it.

Well, I don't think anyone here can.

World War II.

Saturday review was weekly weekly and the war comes and There's a whole editorial that vogue has any respect for America.

They would stop publishing and

The editor of Vogue at those days, Edna Woolman Chase, wrote an op-ed the next week saying, we are so dedicated at Vogue to what she called gracious living, that if our readers are ever thrown sackcloth, we know our readers will wear it with pizzazz.

And to me, that was always feeling blue, wear red.

Fashion was an intervention.

It wasn't, we were not a shopping magazine.

Vogue still isn't a shopping magazine.

Its legacy is exploring, I mean, Michael Boudreau is here, the sainted features editor of Vogue back in those days.

And everything, I remember saying to him, am I gonna write another lipstick story this year?

He said, make it better than last year.

And just finding the commonality, the human experience within it, was what Vogue was for me, was that, and still is, it's gracious living, you know, appreciation.

Yeah.

With the convergence of the internet and cable TV especially, oh, they needed free programming.

So fashion became this thing.

Everyone's filming fashion, filming fashion, giving it away free to not the magazines.

And the magazines are trying to catch up with the website.