The Run-Through with Vogue
90s Vogue Alumni Reveal Their Real Reaction to The Devil Wears Prada
30 Apr 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the significance of the 2026 Met Gala?
Hi, I'm Chloe Mao, head of editorial content for American Vogue and host of The Run-Through. The 2026 Met Gala is just around the corner. And if you're anything like me, you're probably already wondering how guests are going to interpret this year's red carpet dress code, Fashion is Art. Be the first to see every arrival by joining Vogue's Met Gala livestream on Monday, May 4th at 6 p.m.
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This is The Run-Through. I'm Chloe Mao. I'm Nicole Phelps. And I'm Gemma Nardi. And I'm here in NYC, which I love being in. I did get a text from Mark Meducci this morning, spotted on C1, Chomanati. Yeah, it's been lovely to be here.
I like that you're our British queen coming to visit on the day that the real British queen is visiting the World Trade Center. So security getting into the building has been challenging. Oh, my God. I didn't understand. I'd forgotten that they were coming down here. Well, I remembered and then I was reading the draft of the summer cover story and missed my stop and went to Rector instead.
So then I had to walk, I had to go under. I felt like such a dodo.
So you've missed your breakfast and your stop. I know. This is not a good day for you.
It's been a frenetic morning. It is, as you can hear, a busy week at Vogue. A bit of a manic week. We are in full Met Prep mode. T minus what? Six days? Five days? Five. Five days. And we had our second Vogue Book Club event earlier this week featuring The Devil Wears Prada. It was so fun. We screened the new movie.
And afterward, I had a conversation for the podcast, which you will hear today, with Billie Norwich and Kate Young. Billie is an amazing author and former Voguer.
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Chapter 2: How did Vogue alumni react to The Devil Wears Prada?
And Kate Young is a renowned celebrity stylist. And they were great. It was so much fun to hear them reminiscing about working at Vogue in the early aughts. And what I was most excited about was that we invited 33 former Anna assistants from the last 25 years, and two dozen came.
And it was so much fun to see everyone from people who worked at Vogue 20 years ago to people who worked here two years ago, and it was a really fun reunion.
Oh, it must have been nice to see them all catching up.
And Devil Wears Prada 2 is out on Friday. And honestly, I can't believe this movie's not in theaters yet. I'm really feeling we've covered all our bases. Absolutely.
I'm seeing it this weekend with some old Vogue crew. I'm very excited. So fun. We'll be eager to hear your feedback.
Nicole, what were your takeaways from Billy and Kate's conversation?
Well, I thought that the book was not all that insider. And I really like the insider story. So I was very appreciative to hear Billy and Kate and what they said really rang true, which is then and now you have to be a hard worker. Yeah.
Well, you know what I thought was an amazing takeaway was that I feel like a lot of people who write for the Internet now are like, back in the old days of journalism, you just had to write for print once a week. And now I have to write, you know, two blog posts a day.
And Billy Norge reminded us that while he was working at Vogue, he was also a daily columnist for the Daily News writing 1,500 words a day.
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Chapter 3: What insights do Kate Young and Billy Norwich share about their time at Vogue?
Oh, it's been so fab so far. Happy birthday. Thank you. Thank you. I had a lovely weekend. And Nicole's birthday. A little bit earlier, yeah. I'm an Aries and Choma's a Taurus. You know it's a very big month for Aries, right? Yeah. Actually, Precious Lee texted me, and she's absolutely like an astrology queen. I have to respect her.
We're both Decatur, Georgia babies, too.
Oh, are you? I love her. I love her.
But are you both cusp thingamabobs?
I've got seven planet in Aries, so I always feel a lot of kinship with Aries and a lot of my favorite people in Aries. So she told me she thought she misremembered it because I was talking about that and she thought it was an Aries. So she's telling me that this is a major moment in Aries.
Well, I hope I see her at the pre-met party and hear all about the April.
So tell me, you've been here for a few days.
Sorry, I got very excited about the planets all of a sudden. I've been here a few days. I mean, you know, it's like New York life. There's so much happening. I'm looking forward to the Met preview. I'm looking forward to the pre-Met party. I mean, I thought we have to talk about the Chanel results before we go any further. It looked amazing. It looked amazing.
And I think the shoes or the lack of shoes. We're writing about that. We wrote about that. Right.
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Chapter 4: What is the meaning of cruise or resort season in fashion?
But you were only wearing those on a carpet. Yeah. First of all, how remarkable this was. How amazing this was Meche's fifth show since September. And, you know, just how prolific he is, is really astounding. One of his funniest ideas this season, which is Cruz's.
are these sort of non-shoe shoes, to coin a Laia Garcia Furtado-ism, where they're basically just little metal, it looked like metal heels tied around the ankle. No toe, no vamp, no sole, really. And, you know. Only a few little places in the world you could wear a shoe like that. I want to see it at Cannes.
Don't you? I want to see it at Cannes because it's the biggest rule-breaking thing. It's the most elegant thing. Obviously, they weren't in Cannes, but they were definitely nearby.
In Biarritz, which is where the show was, which is where Coco Chanel set up her couture house in 1915. Oh, my gosh. So it was a sort of going back to Chanel's beginnings moment. Yeah. I was wondering why Biarritz. Well, she also she set up a shop in Deauville, I think, in 1913. And the couture house where she made couture clothes came a couple of years later in Biarritz.
And can you give us a bit of a cruise refresher? I feel like every time I need to be reminded what this season is all about.
Cruise is this in-between season between fall and spring. And it was originally, they called it cruise because it was the close that the elite, the upper classes took on their cruises and other warm weather holidays. You know, when the Upper East Siders would head down to Palm Beach, say, for the for the winter to, you know, keep warm. And so they'd need their beachy kind of clothes. Nice.
And now they pop up far flung around the world and it's sort of this, you know, climate catastrophizing. Right.
It was actually Karl Lagerfeld who sort of got that started. I remember the first Chanel cruise show that was not in Paris. It was in Grand Central in one of those sort of, what do you call that, like a balcony, you know, right above the Great Hall. And it's going pretty far back. I will be dating myself if I say.
how long ago it was that sounds like an epic location for a show yes it was before 2010 so it was a long time ago wow so cool
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Chapter 5: What are the latest trends discussed in the Chanel show?
About this show? Yeah, about this show.
Well, I thought what Sarah Mower said was really right. The way that Mathieu can sort of make something extraordinarily special, but also quite easy to wear, which is a really hard combination to get. But he's really getting it with their drop-waist silhouettes, which is obviously a callback to Cocoa. I really like the very full skirts.
They were almost like grassy beach skirts with the half zip, the quarter zip. Yes, I love that. The evolution of the quarter zip.
Yes, I've been feeling a quarter zip lately.
Yes, and Machia himself wears them every day. And so does Bavita, who she was scouted in, I think.
Your cover girl. Yeah, exactly. British Vogue cover girl. Lovely. Yeah, and on that note, I just loved the casting. I love that we're seeing who Machia's women are, this wonderful casting. You had that pregnant model, Kaya Wilkins. She's a musician, so she's not sort of a traditional model. And then he has a wonderful vintage store owner, Stephanie, what's her last name?
Cavalli, Stephanie Cavalli. She has a store upstate. Yes, yes, who I'm obsessed with and I've been mistaken for in the Chanel store for. which is quite embarrassing but I mean how fab she's like the most fab woman ever and yeah I just think we're getting a clearer idea of like who his women are and his models are and I love that
No, it feels like his world building is one step farther, which I really am excited about. Next up, cruise show is, the next big one on my itinerary is Dior in L.A., which is on, what, the 14th? There's a lot of L.A.
shows, right? There's a few. And isn't something else coming to New York?
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Chapter 6: What are the highlights of Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles' engagement news?
In early June, yeah. In early June, Hermes is showing in L.A. And so is Zinnia, which will be a men's show. Okay.
Yeah.
Do we have any hunch about where, I'm always sort of curious because I think both Nicolas Gasquier and Demna have very interesting choices for venues. Do we have any hunch? Where would be your dream place to see like an epic show in New York that hasn't been used? They're being very secretive about it.
Where would we want it to be? Like where hasn't been used? Well, it's such a beautiful time of year. I think it would be cool to do something outside. I mean, we know that Nikola loves architecture. Yeah. I'd love to see something at the Cloisters.
I know it's far.
Yeah. Has anything ever been done there? That's a good question. The Cloisters would be amazing. I also can see Nikola doing something at, like, the UN, although that would be such a nightmare that he wouldn't. Or in the middle of Central Park or something crazy. Yeah. The problem with Central Park is that you can't, there's very rarely permitting for tents.
So it's a completely weather dependent. I wanted to get married in Central Park, so I looked into this. And it's just, it's very hard to take that risk. Ralph Lauren did it, and they just took the risk. But they didn't, it was covered. They did it in the, it was kind of an underpass. Wasn't it in Bethesda Fountain? So it was under the underpass. That was the rain plan.
It was beautiful, actually.
Yeah. But no, I'm excited to see Vuitton, Gucci's version of their New York City moment.
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Chapter 7: How do the guests reflect on the evolution of the Met Gala over the years?
That was so fun and so charming and cheeky and delightful. I also loved Anna insisting on knowing that the fairy was not moving. Yeah. She was like, I don't want to be at sea.
I'm trying to think. Stressful, but also super on brand. It was like Telfar did one at kind of a helicopter. The helicopter pad. Wasn't it pouring rain, too? It was great. I mean, but it was so on brand for Telfar. I'm actually excited to go to the store because I haven't been and I've heard it's a really interesting shopping experience.
I think the same day that Telfar did that show at the helipad, Rodarte did a show in the marble cemetery on 2nd Street, which is such a pretty spot.
My friend Thesley got married there and it was so pretty. Such a beautiful spot. Such a nice place. Sorry, I'm going off tangent. But just thinking.
We really do love New York.
I do. It's a great city.
There were major, I mean, to me, two resort shows that stick out to me as being probably a nightmare for PR or people organizing it was the Chanel show in Havana. I went to Havana a few years before that, and it's very challenging.
Oh, my God.
I wanted to go to that.
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Chapter 8: What advice do Kate and Billy give for aspiring fashion professionals?
How can we... What couple are they? When you know, you know. Compare them to. Like, who... I mean, I guess it's, like, her mom. Like... Actress and rock star. I mean, she's kind of repeating history.
It's sort of a Jerry Hall, Mick Jagger vibe.
Yeah, Jerry Hall, Mick Jagger.
But yes, there's a lot happening. I also love that she has a collaboration with Jessica McCormack and then got a Jessica McCormack ring.
I mean, that ring is unmissable. It's huge.
It's really big.
How many carats do you think it is? Do we know?
She's also so small that the ring looks even bigger.
She's a very delicate lady. But yeah, I'm really excited for them. I think... I think Harry's such an emotional, sweet guy and he needs someone who understands his world and she gets it.
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