Bjørn Lomborg

I think it's wonderful to hear Andy sort of unconstruct the whole conversation and say we should be worried about different things.

And I think that's exact or we should be worried about things in a different way that makes it much more useful.

I think that's exactly the right way to think about it.

On the other hand, that was also where you kind of ended.

We are stuck in a place where this very much is the conversation right now.

And so I think in one sense, certainly the people who used to say, oh, this is not happening, they're very, very small and diminishing crowd and certainly not right.

But on the other hand, I think to an increasing extent, we've gotten into a world where a lot of people really think this is the end of the times.

So the OECD did a new survey of all OECD countries and it's shocking.

So it shows that 60% of all people in the OECD, so the rich world, believes that global warming will likely or very likely lead to the extinction of mankind.

And that's scary in a very, very clear way.

Because look, if this really is true, if global warming is this meteor hurtling towards Earth,

and we're gonna be destroyed in 12 years or whatever the number is today, then clearly we should care about nothing else.

We should just be focusing on making sure that that asteroid gets, we should send up Bruce Willis and get this done with.

But that's not the way it is.

This is not actually what the UN Climate Panel tells us or anything else.

So I think it's not so much about arcing against the people who are saying it's a hoax.

That's not really where I am.

I don't think that's where Andy or really where the conversation is.

But it is a question of sort of pulling people back from this end of the world conversation because it really skews our way that we think about problems.

Also, you know, if you really think this is the end of time and, you know, you only have 12 years, nothing that can only work in 13 years can be considered.