Bjørn Lomborg

And the reality of most of what we're talking about in climate and certainly our vulnerability, certainly our energy system is going to be half to a full century.

And so when you talk to people and say, well, but we're going to, you know, we're really going to go a lot more renewable in the next half century.

They look at you and like, but that's what 38 years too late.

Uh, and I get that, but so, so I think in, in your question, what I'm trying to do, and I would imagine that's true for you as well, is to try to pull people away from this precipice and this end of the world and then open it up.

And I think Andy did that really well by saying, look, there are so many different

sub-conversations and we need to have all of them and we need to be respectful of some of these are right in the sort of standard media kind of way, but some of them are very, very wrong and actually means that we end up doing much less good, both on climate, but also on all the other problems the world faces.

Yeah.

I mean, when you ask around, I mean, and this is, you know, if you hear this story from the media of 20 years, of course, that's what you'll believe.

And it also happens to be true.

I think it's perhaps worth saying, and it's a little depressing that you always have to say it, but I think it's worth saying that I think we both really do accept the climate panel science.

There's absolutely global warming.

It is an issue, and it's probably just worthwhile to get it out of the way.

It's an issue, and it's caused by humans.

It's caused by humans, yeah.

The point, I think, is exactly right that

If you look at the Hurricane Ian that went through Florida, you have a situation where Florida went from, what, 600,000 houses in 1940 to 17 million houses.

Sorry, 10 million houses, so 17 times more over a period of 80 years.

Of course you're going to have, what?

You're going to have lots more damage.

And many of these houses now have been built on places where you probably shouldn't be building.