Bjørn Lomborg

And while I'm sure I have blind spots, I think they're probably not big enough to overturn that point.

Andy, why is Bjorn and economists are all wrong about everything?

What do you?

So I just want to get back to, so the science, I don't think the science get it so much wrong as it just becomes accepted to make certain assumptions.

As you just said, we assume no friction.

So there's a way that you kind of model the world that ends up being also a convenient message.

in many ways.

And I think the main convenient message in climate, and it's not surprising if you think about it, the main convenient message is that the best way to do something about all the things that we call climate is to cut CO2.

And that turns out to only sometimes be true and with a lot of caveats.

But that's sort of the message.

And it takes a long time.

It's really, really difficult to do in any meaningful sort of timeframe.

And if you challenge that...

Yes, you're outside the flock and you get attacked.

Somebody told me once, I think it's true, they say at the Harvard Law School, if you have a good case, pound the case.

If you have a bad case, pound the table.

And so I've always felt that when people go after me, they're kind of pounding the table.

They're literally screaming, I don't have a good case.

I'm really annoyed with what you're saying.

And so to me, that actually means it's much more important to make this argument.