Bjørn Lomborg

Sure.

I mean, I would love everyone just saying, oh, that's a really good point.

I'm going to use that.

But we're stuck in a situation, certainly in a conversation where

A lot of people have invested a lot of time and energy on saying we should cut carbon emissions.

This is the way to help humankind.

And just be clear, I think we should cut carbon emissions as well, but we should also just be realistic about what we can achieve with that and what are all the other things that we could also do.

And it turns out that a lot of these other things are much cheaper, much more effective, will help much more, much quicker.

And so getting that point out

It's just incredibly important for us to get it right.

So in some sense, you know, to make sure that we don't do another Iraq and we don't do another, you know, lots of stupid decisions.

I mean, this is one of the things mankind is very good at.

And I guess I see my role, and I think that's probably also how you see yourself, is trying to, you know, get everyone to do it slightly less wrong.

There's, there's very little, uh, I, I, I guess I can see what you're saying sort of in a literary way or something, but there's, there's very poetic here.

There's very little comfort or sort of usefulness in annoying a lot of people.

Whenever I go to a party, for instance, I know that there's a good chance people are going to be annoyed with me.

And I would love that not to be the case.

But what I try to do is – so I try to be very polite and sort of not –

push people's buttons unless they sort of actively say, so you're saying all kind of stupid stuff on the climate, right?

And then try to engage with them and say, well, what is it you're thinking about?