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for a media company in the long term.

And so I think they ran into some trouble with that, where it was just, to your point, mission creep way too fast as well.

Creep is probably not the right word, but like mission sprinting in different directions, and it was not a good foundation for success.

Well, and listen, we've been inside these conservative movement spaces.

One of the big messages that I have to people inside the conservative movement, also Republican and Democratic Party, look at what just happened in Maine where Janet Mills, the sitting governor, had to drop out of the race because Graham Plattner was so powerful.

Janet Mills had all the money.

They thought it was ridiculous that Plattner would ever win, and she didn't even make it to the primary.

A lot of that is because- Yeah.

institutions are less powerful than personalities now.

So you can't say that, oh, we have to defer to the power of this institution.

Like remember when National Review did this to the Birchers, that doesn't work on younger people.

It doesn't work on Americans anymore.

It may have been true.

It was true in the 70s and the 80s with William F. Buckley, but it's just not the same anymore.

The institutional power is different.

And so you have to make arguments.

You have to appeal to individuals and you have to have those arguments with individuals, not with institutions.

And you can't just defer to that stuff anymore.

Well, I like that you can stay up late for Kerry Washington, but not for After Party, Megan.

I'll remember that.