Blythe Terrell

Mm-hmm.

But what we've been seeing happening in Minneapolis is a lot of force, a lot of, like, hardcore responses from these agents, right?

There's lots of reports of ICE using tear gas against people who are protesting or who are just, like, observing, taking video and stuff.

And we also heard that from T, who is one of the protesters we talked to, who you heard from at the beginning of the show.

Were you exposed to it?

You were puking and throwing up?

So, yeah, I mean, tear gas, it turns out, can do a lot of messed up stuff, which is the first thing we're going to kind of talk about.

And this has come up on this show before.

Actually, we talked about it back in 2020.

It was the height of COVID, and people were protesting after a police officer murdered George Floyd, who's a Black man, also in Minneapolis.

Yeah, also in Minneapolis, right?

Yeah.

And that is actually also when this scientist we're starting with got interested in tear gas.

So Jennifer was actually getting her PhD in Minneapolis at the time.

And she and her like neuroscience nerd grad friends, they were watching these protests around George Floyd's death.

And, you know, they were seeing these like clouds of tear gas and developing protesters.

And they decided that they wanted to do something.

Yeah, so Rose, like many conversations among friends, this led to them doing a bunch of research and looking at academic papers.

And, you know, what they wanted to find out was, yeah, what do we know about tear gas?

And one thing that caught their attention pretty early on is just a little bit about the history of this stuff.