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Bob Kagan

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The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

They want us out of the Western Pacific and East Asia, and we are heading in that direction.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

But I think I really do want to focus a little on the Gulf itself, because at the end of the day, there's going to be some basic objective reality that is going to be inescapable.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And that is that the United States, at the end of this conflict,

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

unless some kind of extraordinary event happens and Iran just collapses and becomes a friendly country within the next three weeks, where we're going to be left is we will have been substantially pushed out of the Middle East and Persian Gulf.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

That is the net consequence of this.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

Because if when we quit, as Trump claims, leaving the Strait of Hormuz closed,

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

That means the rest of the world is now going to have to negotiate with Iran on exactly how the Strait of Hormuz will be operated going forward.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And Iran will no longer have to fear further American attack because we will have absented ourselves.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

Therefore, the balance of power will have shifted in Iran's favor.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

But more than that.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

it will have shifted particularly in China's favor, because standing behind Iran in these negotiations over how the strait will be run will be China.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And Iran is already talking about asking other countries to pay for transit through the strait in yuan, in Chinese yuan, which will basically, you know, strengthen the Chinese yuan against the American dollar and undermine the petrodollar system, etc.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

JVL has a great

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

piece on this, which is 100% right, except for one thing, which we can get to.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

But that is the situation that we're going to be left with.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

We will have gone from being the dominant player in this region, which is the region that controls the world oil supply to a large extent, and certainly the world oil price.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

We will go from having been the dominant player to one of several players, maybe, or we will basically have lost our influence in the region.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

That is going to be the net result of this conflict.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

No, we are enunciating it brilliantly.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And it is a central contradiction at the heart of this whole operation.