Bob Kagan
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first heard Feb 2026
last heard 29 Jul
Bob Kagan’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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So let's humiliate Donald Trump camp grows every day.
But what does he want?
I think he wants it to go away, but it won't go away.
And just setting the whole Trump of it aside.
It is a terrible loss.
It is a fundamental strategic defeat with huge ramifications that I honestly believe people have not even begun to understand, which is we're going to have what I would call now Iran 2.0 once this is all over.
which is an Iran that is no longer feeling endangered by the United States, an Iran which controls one of the most important waterways of the world and has some control over the world's energy supply.
Do we think that at that point they're going to become sort of meek and like try to figure out how to get along with everybody?
Or do we think that they're going to exploit that incredible advantage to make sure that the world is configured in a way that is more conducive to their interests?
Well, I mean, on the one hand, we already see that even the Houthis, when the Chinese ask to let their Saudi tankers get through for their oil, that the Houthis let it go.
So before we even get to your big question, I do think that everybody needs to understand that.
that there is going to be a double standard in how the Strait is managed by Iran.
And those who are considered friends of Iran are going to get the better deal and the easier passage and the reliable supplies.
And those who are regarded as unfriendly, which is not just the United States, but I would say every country in the world,
In, for instance, Europe that still maintains sanctions on Iran, they're going to find that the passage is more complicated and that the paperwork got lost and it's a very crowded day and we're not sure things are going to get through.
And, you know, when that happens...
Countries are going to have to figure out a way to make sure that they get the oil.
I mean, let's face it.
It's not like Japan has a choice here.
They can draw down on their reserves for a while, but ultimately they need access to the strait.
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