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Bob Kagan

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436 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

I think that many of these sailors have not had any leave.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And so that can lead to all kinds of things.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

The longer you keep people deployed, the more likely there is for error.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

So that's one part of it.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

But I really do think people...

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And people are saying that Trump has announced intention to commit war crimes.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And so I think I really do think it's important to note they can claim that the bridge has both military and civilian uses.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

But when you start going after the energy grid, that's an attack on a civilian target.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

This is what Putin is doing in Ukraine.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

He is destroying the energy grid in Ukraine to make the Ukrainian people suffer so much that the government can't continue the war.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And so now the strategy in this attempt to liberate the Iranian people from this brutal regime will now be to make them suffer as much as possible and bring about what the Israelis, I think, are looking for, which is not regime change, but state failure.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

by which is meant really the inability of any state to function in Iran.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

If Trump gets what he wants, we will go sailing off into the sunset, having turned Iran into a smoking ruin where people are dying of starvation and disease and lack of access to water, etc.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

The regime has collapsed, the country is in total chaos, and we are on our way back to...

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

wherever we were before we started this.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

And I don't know what the outcome of that is for the region and not to mention for the Iranian people.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

Again, our strategy, insofar as we seem to have a strategy now, is sort of beyond regime change, or it's regime change accomplished only through the utter destruction of Iran.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

Yeah, sure.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

Only through state failure.

The Bulwark Podcast
Robert Kagan: We’re Transitioning to a Post-American World

Whether he can accomplish state failure in two or three weeks of intensive bombing, I don't know.