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Bob Wachter

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
553 total appearances

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Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

a few years ago about what are called cobots, robots that are collaborative.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

This was in nursing homes in Japan.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

They were these big physical robots that could help lift a patient clean and so on.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

And the finding from research around them was that the healthcare workers actually loved it, A, and B, were able to lean into what they as humans are good at.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

which is dealing with patients on a human level rather than just moving them around and getting them to the bathroom and stuff like that.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

So if we use that as the sort of model here, let's say for a physician like yourself or maybe someone a generation or two younger, if AI unfolds the way that you're hoping it does in 10 years, let's say, what does the physician get to do that maybe they're really great at now that some of the burden has been lifted by AI?

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

I think the fundamental question of AI in healthcare is not creating my note or reviewing my chart.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

It is computerized decision support.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

It is the AI helping me make the best decision for you as a patient based on things about you, but also about the medical literature, which evolves, changes very, very quickly.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

And the best decision is not only the one that provides the best outcome, but the one that's the most cost effective.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

It's been said that the most expensive piece of technology in a healthcare system is the doctor's pen, which of course is no longer the pen, it's the keyboard.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Where this really will have an impact is

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

I'm seeing you in my office or in the hospital.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

And it's not like I now pull out my phone and say, this is a 52-year-old man who comes in with this, this, and this.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

The AI is already reading your chart.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

It already knows all those things about you.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

And it's suggesting in real time, suggesting diagnoses and suggesting what the right tests would be and what the right treatments would be.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Now, do you need me in that setting?

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

I think so, but we'll have to see.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

I think you need me to interpret all of this, to be a tiebreaker when there's a tough call, to deal with some complex, sometimes ethical issues, to weigh your own preferences as a patient or family.