Bojan Pancevski

And some of them even admitted that, yes, we did cover it up. There was a brief to cover it up when we covered it up. So, you know, even in that kind of circle, in the security establishment, in the military, in the police to an extent, the intelligence community, there are a lot of people who think enough is enough and we shouldn't be kind of sweeping this under the carpet.

Poland is also becoming much, much more outspoken. They're very willing to attribute things to Russia. Germany is perhaps shifting. You know, I think this, to me, to my mind, means that the security establishment has had enough and is trying to kind of jolt people into awareness of what's happening and what are the stakes and what are the risks that we're all basically exposed to now.

Poland is also becoming much, much more outspoken. They're very willing to attribute things to Russia. Germany is perhaps shifting. You know, I think this, to me, to my mind, means that the security establishment has had enough and is trying to kind of jolt people into awareness of what's happening and what are the stakes and what are the risks that we're all basically exposed to now.

Poland is also becoming much, much more outspoken. They're very willing to attribute things to Russia. Germany is perhaps shifting. You know, I think this, to me, to my mind, means that the security establishment has had enough and is trying to kind of jolt people into awareness of what's happening and what are the stakes and what are the risks that we're all basically exposed to now.

It's the most frightening, frightening incident or conspiracy that we've learned. And obviously the scary part is that we only learned about this because I had that late night meeting in a hotel bar, having cocktails with someone who knew about it. There might be other things like that out there that we don't know about.

It's the most frightening, frightening incident or conspiracy that we've learned. And obviously the scary part is that we only learned about this because I had that late night meeting in a hotel bar, having cocktails with someone who knew about it. There might be other things like that out there that we don't know about.

It's the most frightening, frightening incident or conspiracy that we've learned. And obviously the scary part is that we only learned about this because I had that late night meeting in a hotel bar, having cocktails with someone who knew about it. There might be other things like that out there that we don't know about.

I think the assumption is, the fear is that it's just going to get worse because the level of aggression has been steadily rising in the past. It's almost three years now that the war in Ukraine has been going on.

I think the assumption is, the fear is that it's just going to get worse because the level of aggression has been steadily rising in the past. It's almost three years now that the war in Ukraine has been going on.

I think the assumption is, the fear is that it's just going to get worse because the level of aggression has been steadily rising in the past. It's almost three years now that the war in Ukraine has been going on.

And unlike during the Cold War, when there was a clear set of rules of engagement between the two blocs, between the two superpowers, and both of them were wary of going too far and triggering a confrontation that might end up in a nuclear holocaust. I think we've lost that fear.

And unlike during the Cold War, when there was a clear set of rules of engagement between the two blocs, between the two superpowers, and both of them were wary of going too far and triggering a confrontation that might end up in a nuclear holocaust. I think we've lost that fear.

And unlike during the Cold War, when there was a clear set of rules of engagement between the two blocs, between the two superpowers, and both of them were wary of going too far and triggering a confrontation that might end up in a nuclear holocaust. I think we've lost that fear.

So yeah, we're in a world where everything goes from launching missiles into Ukraine to cutting cables to, you know, arson attacks on factories and buses in otherwise peaceful European capitals.

So yeah, we're in a world where everything goes from launching missiles into Ukraine to cutting cables to, you know, arson attacks on factories and buses in otherwise peaceful European capitals.

So yeah, we're in a world where everything goes from launching missiles into Ukraine to cutting cables to, you know, arson attacks on factories and buses in otherwise peaceful European capitals.

That's absolutely true in my experience, yes. In the course of my reporting in the past almost three years, that's definitely become apparent to me. And also this discrepancy in the way we see the conflict, in the way we perceive the standoff with Russia. There is no sense that we are an actual all-out war with Russia, whereas on the Russian side, they do think that and they behave accordingly.

That's absolutely true in my experience, yes. In the course of my reporting in the past almost three years, that's definitely become apparent to me. And also this discrepancy in the way we see the conflict, in the way we perceive the standoff with Russia. There is no sense that we are an actual all-out war with Russia, whereas on the Russian side, they do think that and they behave accordingly.

That's absolutely true in my experience, yes. In the course of my reporting in the past almost three years, that's definitely become apparent to me. And also this discrepancy in the way we see the conflict, in the way we perceive the standoff with Russia. There is no sense that we are an actual all-out war with Russia, whereas on the Russian side, they do think that and they behave accordingly.

So unless there is a resolution of the conflict in Ukraine and unless perhaps the West takes a more decisive posture and warns the Russians about some sort of retaliation, it's difficult to see how this will be diffused. You know, I've spoken to a number of very senior politicians who are well briefed on this matter. And a number of them told me, well, what are we expected to do?