Bozoma Saint John

And there's no shame.

There's no shame in that. By the way, that's another like whole unlock. that I had for myself and in my career, believe it or not, was that I opened this vulnerability that I had closed off before. You know, this idea of the perfection, that things had to be great and complete in order to move to the next thing. And very quickly,

There's no shame in that. By the way, that's another like whole unlock. that I had for myself and in my career, believe it or not, was that I opened this vulnerability that I had closed off before. You know, this idea of the perfection, that things had to be great and complete in order to move to the next thing. And very quickly,

I mean, I was kind of thrown into it when I accepted the job with Jimmy. I had no idea what music streaming was. I'd never done that before. I was not an expert in it. But it didn't mean that I couldn't go do it. And guess what? I figured it out. You know what I mean?

I mean, I was kind of thrown into it when I accepted the job with Jimmy. I had no idea what music streaming was. I'd never done that before. I was not an expert in it. But it didn't mean that I couldn't go do it. And guess what? I figured it out. You know what I mean?

Or like moving any, anything in my life, which has felt like, gosh, I need to like really have conquered this thing in order to move to the next one has been a lie. And it is actually how I counsel a lot of women, especially who are like early in their career or mid-career even, you know, that who are waiting. to rack all the things before they take the next risk.

Or like moving any, anything in my life, which has felt like, gosh, I need to like really have conquered this thing in order to move to the next one has been a lie. And it is actually how I counsel a lot of women, especially who are like early in their career or mid-career even, you know, that who are waiting. to rack all the things before they take the next risk.

I'm just like, you know that that actually doesn't work. You can't wait until you've checked off every box before you jump to the next thing that you gotta do. You gotta leave some room for growth. Your cup is, if it's all the way full, how are you gonna put more stuff in it? You know what I'm saying? You gotta have a little bit open at the top in order to pour more experiences in there.

I'm just like, you know that that actually doesn't work. You can't wait until you've checked off every box before you jump to the next thing that you gotta do. You gotta leave some room for growth. Your cup is, if it's all the way full, how are you gonna put more stuff in it? You know what I'm saying? You gotta have a little bit open at the top in order to pour more experiences in there.

So it's like, if you're ever just full to the brim, if you've checked off everything, then there's no more growth for you. So as I even look at myself, that is where I am now, where it's just like, there is no more growth if you're all the way full, if you're checked off everything before you take the next risk. Where are you gonna put the stuff that you're getting?

So it's like, if you're ever just full to the brim, if you've checked off everything, then there's no more growth for you. So as I even look at myself, that is where I am now, where it's just like, there is no more growth if you're all the way full, if you're checked off everything before you take the next risk. Where are you gonna put the stuff that you're getting?

So yeah, it's like, leave the tank quarter full.

So yeah, it's like, leave the tank quarter full.

Or get more cups. You know what I mean? It's like, maybe my corporate cup is full. I have a brand new cup.

Or get more cups. You know what I mean? It's like, maybe my corporate cup is full. I have a brand new cup.

Absolutely, absolutely. But that's also, like I said, part of the learning of this, you know, which is just like, I don't have to have had things complete in order to move to the next thing. I'm sure there are people who would look at my career and say, oh, but you haven't done that thing yet. Don't you think you should do that before you retire? But like, do I need it? Probably not.

Absolutely, absolutely. But that's also, like I said, part of the learning of this, you know, which is just like, I don't have to have had things complete in order to move to the next thing. I'm sure there are people who would look at my career and say, oh, but you haven't done that thing yet. Don't you think you should do that before you retire? But like, do I need it? Probably not.

And so it's like, why continue? Why continue to do that thing? So again, I think a lot of it really just has to do with self-reflection at the end of the day.

And so it's like, why continue? Why continue to do that thing? So again, I think a lot of it really just has to do with self-reflection at the end of the day.

you know, listening to your own spirit, listening to your own needs and wants, and making sure that you're not lying to yourself, you know, based on the stories that other people have told you, based on narratives that are running around the planet that you've accepted. as the truth and maybe we're lies. You know what I mean?