Bozoma Saint John

Yes. Either the strong or the soft, right?

Oh, rememberable. Yes, you were rememberable. You were rememberable because also I had seen both of you. separately before I saw you in person, obviously. Abby, clearly. Hello. The whole world had seen you already. I knew that. I was very excited about that. Glennon, I don't even know if I even told you this. I first saw you on Oprah stage at USC. Oh, I didn't know that.

Oh, rememberable. Yes, you were rememberable. You were rememberable because also I had seen both of you. separately before I saw you in person, obviously. Abby, clearly. Hello. The whole world had seen you already. I knew that. I was very excited about that. Glennon, I don't even know if I even told you this. I first saw you on Oprah stage at USC. Oh, I didn't know that.

Oh, rememberable. Yes, you were rememberable. You were rememberable because also I had seen both of you. separately before I saw you in person, obviously. Abby, clearly. Hello. The whole world had seen you already. I knew that. I was very excited about that. Glennon, I don't even know if I even told you this. I first saw you on Oprah stage at USC. Oh, I didn't know that.

I was only able to be there for like one session and it was yours. And I sat in the audience and then this sprite of a person... came across the stage and I was like, oh, this is the most interesting white woman I have ever seen in my life. Like, I was like, oh, okay, yeah. Her, that one. This one. Oh. And honest. You know, I hadn't heard such honesty before.

I was only able to be there for like one session and it was yours. And I sat in the audience and then this sprite of a person... came across the stage and I was like, oh, this is the most interesting white woman I have ever seen in my life. Like, I was like, oh, okay, yeah. Her, that one. This one. Oh. And honest. You know, I hadn't heard such honesty before.

I was only able to be there for like one session and it was yours. And I sat in the audience and then this sprite of a person... came across the stage and I was like, oh, this is the most interesting white woman I have ever seen in my life. Like, I was like, oh, okay, yeah. Her, that one. This one. Oh. And honest. You know, I hadn't heard such honesty before.

So by the time we got to the Together live tour, oh, I knew exactly who in the hell y'all were. I did not know that. And you did not disappoint. Oh, that's good. I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Still honest. Even backstage, still honest. So I was very, very impressed by you both in person. Thank you both so much.

So by the time we got to the Together live tour, oh, I knew exactly who in the hell y'all were. I did not know that. And you did not disappoint. Oh, that's good. I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Still honest. Even backstage, still honest. So I was very, very impressed by you both in person. Thank you both so much.

So by the time we got to the Together live tour, oh, I knew exactly who in the hell y'all were. I did not know that. And you did not disappoint. Oh, that's good. I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Still honest. Even backstage, still honest. So I was very, very impressed by you both in person. Thank you both so much.

It is so hard to articulate. It really is. It's hard to articulate because of that hard place of trying to figure out whether or not The problem is you or the problem is them. You know, when they say like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, it's not. It's not. It's not you. It's me. How many times do you have to say that before you realize that? No, no, it's actually not me at all. It's them. Yes.

It is so hard to articulate. It really is. It's hard to articulate because of that hard place of trying to figure out whether or not The problem is you or the problem is them. You know, when they say like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, it's not. It's not. It's not you. It's me. How many times do you have to say that before you realize that? No, no, it's actually not me at all. It's them. Yes.

It is so hard to articulate. It really is. It's hard to articulate because of that hard place of trying to figure out whether or not The problem is you or the problem is them. You know, when they say like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, it's not. It's not. It's not you. It's me. How many times do you have to say that before you realize that? No, no, it's actually not me at all. It's them. Yes.

And then the disappointment in that. In knowing that you chose, you decided. And they were the problem. Like, to be able to admit that is so hard. You know, so then, yeah, you spend the time trying to prove that you actually were not wrong. That you chose right. That's the position you spend your energy doing. So that's what happens to me, too.

And then the disappointment in that. In knowing that you chose, you decided. And they were the problem. Like, to be able to admit that is so hard. You know, so then, yeah, you spend the time trying to prove that you actually were not wrong. That you chose right. That's the position you spend your energy doing. So that's what happens to me, too.

And then the disappointment in that. In knowing that you chose, you decided. And they were the problem. Like, to be able to admit that is so hard. You know, so then, yeah, you spend the time trying to prove that you actually were not wrong. That you chose right. That's the position you spend your energy doing. So that's what happens to me, too.

That often I'm in a situation and I'm like, oh, yeah, no, no, no. I chose right because I'm good at choosing. I've thought about it. I have followed my intuition. God told me. And I moved. I went. And then at some point, you're like, uh-oh. I don't think this is right. Yes. But I've spent so much time then trying to convince myself that I wasn't wrong. And that it must be me. That if I'm only...

That often I'm in a situation and I'm like, oh, yeah, no, no, no. I chose right because I'm good at choosing. I've thought about it. I have followed my intuition. God told me. And I moved. I went. And then at some point, you're like, uh-oh. I don't think this is right. Yes. But I've spent so much time then trying to convince myself that I wasn't wrong. And that it must be me. That if I'm only...

That often I'm in a situation and I'm like, oh, yeah, no, no, no. I chose right because I'm good at choosing. I've thought about it. I have followed my intuition. God told me. And I moved. I went. And then at some point, you're like, uh-oh. I don't think this is right. Yes. But I've spent so much time then trying to convince myself that I wasn't wrong. And that it must be me. That if I'm only...

smarter, if I'm only more likable, if I'm only wittier, if I'm only more amenable, then maybe I'm not wrong. Because how could I be wrong? I know myself. I take no shit. I could never be wrong in that. It's become very humbling, actually. We were talking about like being strong and soft. It's like you can be self-assured and also humble and humble in knowing that sometimes you get it wrong.